tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post8043085705778697002..comments2023-07-13T07:18:21.700-07:00Comments on A Woman Who Fears the Lord: A discerning look at 'Biblical Patriarchy' and those who abuse itAngela Wittmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04025738299107632514noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-5123619982901642502014-01-28T08:39:35.000-08:002014-01-28T08:39:35.000-08:00Excellent! That one's going on my blogroll to...Excellent! That one's going on my blogroll too. It's such a blessing to be able to follow in the footsteps of someone who knows so much more about our Protestant heritage. It's been amazing uncovering the history I was never taught in school.Meghttp://paddlingupcreek.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-57116436231169782132014-01-28T08:35:02.000-08:002014-01-28T08:35:02.000-08:00Dear Sister Meg,Praise the LORD! I am blessed to ...Dear Sister Meg,<br>Praise the LORD! I am blessed to have been of service to you! When I saw your blog, I thought here's someone of like-mind. :) I retired the LOTC blog and started a new one about the Covenanters here: http://reformedchristianheritage.wordpress.com/<br>I am looking forward to reading your blog. Be blessed, sister. :)Angela Wittmanhttp://4christcrowncovenant.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-4631076194595141932014-01-28T08:19:31.000-08:002014-01-28T08:19:31.000-08:00Hi Angela. Seeing as you gave me so many likes to...Hi Angela. Seeing as you gave me so many likes today, I thought I'd better return the favor for your excellent post. :-) I really liked your Ladies of the Covenant blog that you used to have. It taught me a lot!Meghttp://paddlingupcreek.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-75726436412078173072013-12-28T00:07:50.000-08:002013-12-28T00:07:50.000-08:00Hi abbasgirlme. Thanks for commenting. This post w...Hi abbasgirlme. Thanks for commenting. This post was written regarding a movement (or cult) in a subculture of Christianity led by Doug Phillips who has admitted to unfaithfulness in his marriage. Mr. Phillips' abuses have been documented at Jen's Gems (http://jensgems.wordpress.com/). I think you will find the answers to your questions there.Angela Wittmanhttp://4christcrowncovenant.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-68468863491509787082013-12-27T20:19:33.000-08:002013-12-27T20:19:33.000-08:00I would be so interested to know what type of abus...I would be so interested to know what type of abuse you discerningly refer to and also the affect that a wife who follows scripture pertaining to how wives are to behave within marriage either shew that or prove it. It is true that many men have no idea how to biblically lead their wives, and it is also true that many wives who profess Jesus with their lips, forget that they also are mandated as to how to live, and that regardless of what a husband does or does not do, EACH will give an account to the Lord for how they obeyed HIM and followed HIM in thier marriages and in their lives in general. May we never be guilty of the "Adam defense"...."The spouse You gave me...", but may we all earnestly contend for the word of God in it's whole counsel and in context, and never pull in the vain self centered thinking of the world that is perishing, the lie of feminism that has so egregiously infiltrated the Body, and the thinking that what God has said anywhere in His word somehow is not good, perfect and right to live by because WE are not "treated" as we think we "deserve" under the guise of discernment or anything else. So often "abuse" is cited when in reality it is nothing more than a disgruntled wife who is neither getting her own way nor Loving the Lord through her own obedience to the word in dying to self and living for HIM, and recognizing that all that God says to BOTH husband and wife is excellent in marriage as He created it to be. Without a wider definition of both "Biblical Patriarchy" as scripture would define it, and how "abuse" is defined, it is very difficult to really know whether what is being cited is scripturally abhorrent or Christian "politics" (how those two things go together I cannot find in scripture) that is no more than feminism couched in godly concern. Thanks!abbasgirlmehttp://abbasgirlme.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-53031119285963665932013-12-21T03:41:11.000-08:002013-12-21T03:41:11.000-08:00Thanks! Please feel free to share any links you mi...Thanks! Please feel free to share any links you might have. :)Angela Wittmanhttp://4christcrowncovenant.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-53101762798240191512013-12-21T00:10:39.000-08:002013-12-21T00:10:39.000-08:00Elaine Pagels writes extensively role of women in ...Elaine Pagels writes extensively role of women in early church and attempts by early church fathers cover up. Thanks visit my blog.Carl D'Agostinohttp://carldagostino.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-39464279724555712822013-12-14T13:39:34.000-08:002013-12-14T13:39:34.000-08:00Thanks Tom! I appreciate your perspective and godl...Thanks Tom! I appreciate your perspective and godly advice. :)Angela Wittmanhttp://4christcrowncovenant.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-36376727847119795072013-12-14T13:32:38.000-08:002013-12-14T13:32:38.000-08:00Frankly, I never heard of Doug Phillips or Vision ...Frankly, I never heard of Doug Phillips or Vision Forum. Since I don't everything I should know I suppose that's not saying much. Moreover, there are stories running about this Doug Phillips scandal on news blogs with national followings. So I suppose the mess Phillips has made is somewhat significant. As stories go, this is definitely a juicy one. Add an attractive man hunter to the mix, and the Christian-hating news media will probably make it play for awhile.<br><br>Nevertheless, we should not let the news media make too much of this story. The Bible says bad men will try to deceive us and misrepresent themselves as being the Christ or of God, and perhaps that is the sort of thing this Doug Phillips did. Nonetheless, that only applies to how Christians might be deceived. I suspect non-Christians are more routinely deceived by that vast array of ungodly things we call idols. <br><br>Let's go for some perspective. While it is not clear who or what happened to put Doug Phillips out of business, we can readily see that our nation's biggest idol, Big Government is still in business. When we idolize our government, it is much more of a threat to both the souls of our people and our nation's material wealth than Doug Phillips ever could be. To be hurt by Doug Phillips, we have to overtly join his church. To be hurt by our government, we just have to be an American.Citizen Tomhttp://citizentom.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-87924962036901720942013-12-06T23:36:27.000-08:002013-12-06T23:36:27.000-08:00Thanks Lyn... I will "amen" your prayer....Thanks Lyn... I will "amen" your prayer.Angela Wittmanhttp://4christcrowncovenant.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-62586642122164693822013-12-06T14:29:00.000-08:002013-12-06T14:29:00.000-08:00Angela,This is very well written, you are to be co...Angela,<br>This is very well written, you are to be commended for your work. This is all so shameful, such a horrific mark on Christianity. The world looks at us, mocks and laughs. May our gracious God bring about healing for all the women who are abused by men like Phillips. <br><br><br>Blessings to you this day,<br>Lynlynhttp://iamhis-lyn.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-72256219429113264442013-12-03T23:02:39.000-08:002013-12-03T23:02:39.000-08:00[…] A discerning look at Biblical Patriarchy and t...[…] A discerning look at Biblical Patriarchy and those who abuse it (4christcrowncovenant.wordpress.com) […]When Soldiers Fall – Responding to the news about Vision Forum | Christian Liberty Newshttp://christianlibertynews.wordpress.com/2013/12/04/when-soldiers-fall-responding-to-the-news-about-vision-forum/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-5898069042074629552013-12-02T00:23:54.000-08:002013-12-02T00:23:54.000-08:00Dear Readers, While I abhor bullies of any type - ...Dear Readers, While I abhor bullies of any type - especially those in the pulpit - I am not going to completely dismiss the so-called "patriarchy movement" as Christians do need direction on how to raise godly families. So, my indictment does not include those men who belong to or lead healthy churches - which IMO excludes home churches - there is just too much potential for abuse. I sincerely recommend folks look for accountability when joining a church - you really can't go wrong with the Presbyterian style of church government. May God give you wisdom in this matter and direct your steps to a healthy body of believers. Amen.<br><br>UPDATE:<br>Here's the latest bombshell regarding the lack of church discipline at the Boerne Christian Assembly:<br><br>http://jensgems.wordpress.com/2013/12/02/yet-another-doug-phillips-sex-scandal/<br><br>The predatory, wicked woman spoken of in this account should have been severely disciplined instead of tolerated. Whatever on earth was the church (?) leadership at Boerne Assembly thinking of? The place needs to be shut down and the congregation directed to healthy, Biblical churches where sin is not tolerated and the Eldership is held accountable.Angela Wittmanhttp://4christcrowncovenant.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-50056071811111050132013-11-30T01:02:53.000-08:002013-11-30T01:02:53.000-08:00Correct! You are probably already aware of Dr. FN ...Correct! You are probably already aware of Dr. FN Lee's work, but for the readers who aren't or perhaps who want to review the proper roles of women in ministry and the Church, please visit: http://www.dr-fnlee.org/ and scroll down to "Women and Church Eldership" and "Biblical Ministries for Women." Years ago Dr. Lee counseled me on these issues. Dr. Lee was a true Christian gentleman, husband and father; he is one other men would do well to learn from as his work is still freely posted on-line.Angela Wittmanhttp://4christcrowncovenant.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-85564584528014563812013-11-30T00:27:37.000-08:002013-11-30T00:27:37.000-08:00"As in all your churches " The Holy Ghos..."As in all your churches " The Holy Ghost by pen of Paul" Godhead (Father Son & Holy Ghost) takes the line that women should not hold the teaching office in the church. Paul tells us that the man was made first then the woman. And he says as "says the Law."Samuel Semmenshttps://www.facebook.com/samuel.semmensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-74157119446077724862013-11-30T00:17:41.000-08:002013-11-30T00:17:41.000-08:00The Christian churches here in the U.K. and across...The Christian churches here in the U.K. and across the pond are in the most disagreeable shambolic state. There is a theological ignorance and apostasy on all points. No real Calvinism, No real Presbyterian church and no heads covered by the Christian ladies. This means Christians do not know how God's church should be governed, how to behave when they get there, and who should and who should not take the pulpit. We can not expect the Holy Ghost to be any thing other than grieved. Yes I know he is sovereign and cannot be effectively resisted in his works of effectual grace, yet our churches are falling apart because we are not Applying the revealed will of God. Since the Reformation our hermeneutics have for the most part been in decline we are doing and saying things in the name of Jesus Christ the great head of the Church which a 5 year old at the time of the Reformation from Popery would have laughed at. The middle classes have played with Protestantism until they made ineffectual.Samuel Semmenshttps://www.facebook.com/samuel.semmensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-28760013201421186202013-11-29T23:45:48.000-08:002013-11-29T23:45:48.000-08:00I recommend following the blog "Jen's Gem...I recommend following the blog "Jen's Gems" (http://jensgems.wordpress.com/) as she and another author are examining financial documents pertaining to Vision Forum.Angela Wittmanhttp://4christcrowncovenant.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-90126170403313353552013-11-29T17:28:35.000-08:002013-11-29T17:28:35.000-08:00I'm incredibly sadden by Doug's life. I h...I'm incredibly sadden by Doug's life. I have benefited in the past one or two interviews I've heard (believe it was at Generation Radio) and can't think of the black eye it gives Jesus. I never knew much about Vision Forum other than the catalogs I got every year selling their products. Thank you for this article.SLIMJIMhttp://veritasdomain.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-79437782618977216162013-11-29T15:28:42.000-08:002013-11-29T15:28:42.000-08:00Dear Jane, You are most welcome! As a woman involv...Dear Jane, You are most welcome! As a woman involved in explicitly Christian politics for 20+ years, I've encountered quite a few bullies.Angela Wittmanhttp://4christcrowncovenant.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-89889213974679132452013-11-29T15:26:26.000-08:002013-11-29T15:26:26.000-08:00Thank you!Thank you!Janenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-25118272540499945942013-11-29T15:07:49.000-08:002013-11-29T15:07:49.000-08:00[…] By Angela Wittman – For Christ’s Crown & C...[…] By Angela Wittman – For Christ’s Crown & Covenant! […]A discerning look at Biblical Patriarchy and those who abuse it | Christian Liberty Newshttp://christianlibertynews.wordpress.com/2013/11/29/a-discerning-look-at-biblical-patriarchy-and-those-who-abuse-it/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-60516423604148395172013-11-29T14:54:24.000-08:002013-11-29T14:54:24.000-08:00Jen, you are welcome. :) I hope the men reading t...Jen, you are welcome. :) I hope the men reading this won't be offended that a woman is rebuking them. The good Lord sure has a sense of humor! :)Angela Wittmanhttp://4christcrowncovenant.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6364993632163963485.post-35656629127918634192013-11-29T14:40:51.000-08:002013-11-29T14:40:51.000-08:00Angela, thank you for doing the hard work necessar...Angela, thank you for doing the hard work necessary of research to find out what was really going on, and thank you for being open-minded and humble enough to change your mind when the evidence weighed heavily in favor of warning people of a wolf in sheep's clothing. Blessings to you, my friend.Jenhttp://jensgems.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com